This conversation focuses on the work of Sarah Kenderdine and Merete Sanderhoff, both of whom are based in Europe working on and within museums, as well as playing leadership roles in pan-institutional organisations such as Europeana and the Australasian Association for Digital Humanities. Topics include openness, data sovereignty, ephemeral culture, participation, empowerment and risk - and the technologies that are used to facilitate or express these concepts such as data translation, APIs, virtualisation, visualisation, simulation and immersion. This conversation was recorded on June 21, 2018. At the time, Sarah Kenderdine was Professor of Digital Museology, École Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne (EPFL), Switzerland and Merete Sanderhoff was Curator of Digital Museum Practice, National Gallery of Denmark (SMK), Denmark.